Are We Confused Yet? Living in Mexico

Probably the most talked about and confusing issue within all Mexico’s new immigration laws is who is eligible for the coveted Resedente Permanente formerly called Inmigrado.

Note: the equally coveted ‘Greencard’ for Latino foreigners in the United States is also formally titled Resedente Permanente. And it is equally complicated and can be more costly to obtain.

We can give the United Sates extra credit for providing everything related in the Spanish language – not equally done within the Mexican equivalent information, instructions and forms. I was informed by a Mexican Federal Immigration officer that “People desiring permanent residence status in Mexico are expected to speak Spanish.” This when he was explaining that my bank statements had to be submitted in Spanish.

So who is eligible? The typical route is one has had an FM3 or FM2 for four years or more prior to filing for permanent residence in Mexico. But we have heard, currently in all the confusion many with far less ‘time served’ are receiving permanent residence cards.

In my own case – Anita had the requisite four years, and it was indicated on her current No Inmigrante visa card. If she could prove financial worthiness she was a shoo-in to obtain a Residente Permanente card. On the other hand I had but one year’s possession of the No Inmigrante card. Because the rumor mill had many ‘success’ stories of receiving eligibility with less time served I decided to try and piggyback on Anita’s qualifications and file even though I truly have but one year with the card.

In fairness I truly have partial-to full-time residence in Mexico of about eight years – but again I have only had a FM3 equivalent card for one year.

During the interview and review of my papers at the INM office, my card and Anita’s were scrutinized on this issue. There were a couple long pregnant pauses as the official examined our cards and papers and then he asked Anita if this was my second year filing for the No Inmigrante visa card. She answered in the affirmative. He eventually gathered and clipped all our papers and proceeded to completion of the acceptance of our papers and the issuance of a NUT number and password.

HOWEVER – we were called in to the INM office today. It was explained that I did not have a valid and legal length of time in Mexico with the proper visa (FM3/2). BUT – because we had substantial financials submitted  and Anita’s filing was totally within the law, they would submit my request and see where it goes. Apparently in our case all the papers go to Oaxaca City for review and final approval.

At least three versions were composed before our Federal Agent created a satisfactory letter of introduction – satisfactory to the head person in the INM office. Finally I had a letter to be seen in Oaxaca  that posed asking in a best manor for a Residente Permanente card – I signed.

This essentially meant we were done.  Now would wait for our cards – to be received within the next 20 days. We shall see.

But let’s look further here. Someone I know asked advice about the process a while back. We had several discussions. This person had only a tourists visa. They returned to the United States to go to a Mexican consulate office (several times) to obtain permission to apply for Residente Temporal back in Mexico, never imagining that permanent status would be obtainable.

When final papers were issued and a snazzy card inserted within a U.S. Passport, it was noted that permission was granted to get a RESIDENTIAL PERMANENTE card – wow!

We thought it was probably a mistake and would never fly down here in real Mexico. But, much like my shot at the gold they went ahead with the attempt to get the permanent card.

Shockingly the paper they received with a list of tasks (translated tile read:Expedited Change to Residente Permanente) contained far fewer requirements including no financial submissions. Back in the U.S. financial statements had been submitted only for the temporary status.

Further while Anita and I each paid a 1000 peso application fee up to his point, this person was sent to the bank to pay the full 3,815 filing fee pesos (see fees above) – even before completion and submission of any forms. Wow!

We are following along to see if this goes through and of course we will keep you posted on how things go for us personally. Stay Tuned!

  • Andean

    First and foremost, wishing you all the best,…what you would like to acquire, of course,… as I understand Residente Permanente…

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    Andean – We would just like to NOT have to do the process of getting the visa every year. It has been nerve-racking, tedious, time consuming and costly – HAPPY to have that done and gone ;-)

  • Andean

    Absolutely! Goes without saying…

  • Tancho

    Thank you for scribing your experiences. We renew our papers in Mid October, so hopefully by that time things will have settled down, but knowing how things get interpreted there are always surprises and changes……

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    Yes 10 months from now the dust MAY HAVE settled ;-) For sure you will know if I am FREE AT LAST!

  • Rick

    What?

  • Steve Cotton

    The difference between regional offices always surprises me. I have never been required to submit a letter. I wonder if that will change this year?

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    That is odd – While what has been accepted certainly has varied between offices – requiring a cover ‘request’ letter seemed to have been universal? This go-round we used a sample provided by a Merida forum; touted to have been accepted in that region. It was rejected in our office right away.

    We corrected the language as requested – then had to return yesterday to get a still ‘better’ worded document. This one had at least three versions within the office while we waited until the final letter was approved by the Jefe in the office.

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    You’re a funny guy Rick ;-)

  • http://sparksmex.blogspot.com/ sparks

    Steve … Manzanillo didn’t want my letter or the online form. Just passport, old visa and bank statements. Actually Manz used to require a letter but they provided it and you just signed

  • Kim G

    Wow! Sounds like a real trial, the worst part being the uncertainty and variability between offices. Maybe as part of bringing the immigration requirements up to “international standards,” they should also bring the process up to same international standards.

    I’ve only been there on tourist visas, though, so it’s very helpful to know that if I want to move there, I need to start the process here. I’m wondering if they’ll give me any credit for all the time I’ve spent there as a tourist. Probably not, but it can’t hurt to ask, right?

    Hopefully you can soon return to your normal programming of bodega construction, iguanas, and the haphazard adventures of your BIL and his partner.

    Saludos,

    Kim G

    Boston, MA

    Where, despite coming back more than two weeks after the snowstorm, I *STILL* had to shovel snow. Already longing to get back to Mx.

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    Kim – Yes, you would think the what 13th largest economy country in the world could provide some consistent rules to immigration – but it is far from that. I would not rely on my experience even with the same officer. They lose records like a guy living out of a shopping cart.

    The current hurdle is high – but if we clear it we are supposedly DONE! We shall see.

  • Jim Seaman

    I’m in Oaxaca now trying for a renewal of my “No Inmigrante” card. Letter required – translations of the last four months worth of bank statements required (a more extensive translation than when I first got my card!). The first person I talked to in the office tried to steer me into a Permanent resident card – I had to say I wasn’t interested (due to my US plated Japanese made car). But they are now insisting on my December bank statement – unfortunately, my statements come out mid-month. I may not get my Dec/Jan statement for a few more days and I need to return home (six hours away across the mountains!). Maybe I’ll get lucky and tomorrow another person will not require the Dec statement.

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    Sounds like the kinds of things we encountered Jim. Frankly I would take the Residente Permanente and worry about the car when it comes up – as far as I can tell no decision ha been made on cars – my thinking is they will grandfather in the cars that are here – at which point you will really wish you had gone for the permanent deal. As to the bank statements – Mine come quarterly – the last was end of November. I explained that it is the most recent statement – they accepted this. HOWEVER all our action so far has been in Puerto – our papers get sent to Oaxaca for review – who knows where the chips will fall?

  • Johanne Kieran

    Hi….just looking for the “approved” letter to accompany the Residente Permanente application here in Puerto Escondido. Have i missed it somewhere?…………….thanks for all the pertinent info!

  • Johanne Kieran

    another question – you indicated that you “photoshoped” the translation of the bank statements…… and these were accepted?? have heard that this is not so from one of the translators here. your feedback greatly appreciated!!

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    We supplied a copy in English (originals – from the Internet) and then supplied the same with Spanish language headings. From there I assume they could see these were exact duplicates – I merely stated we had the statements translated – they accepted them – at least to this point. I have done this in previous years as well without a problem – but again I did not tell them anything other than they were translations.

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    Johanne – the kicker on the letter was it was created in the INM office by Senor Truillo (after three tries and communicating with Carlos, the head hombre in the oficina).I did not receive a copy at that point and thought it might be pushing my luck to ask for a copy. When I return and receive my card (HOPEFULLY) I will ask for a copy of that letter – however it seemed to be form fitted to my situation in that my wife was fully qualified and we had what they deemed as VERY GOOD financials (including my doctored statements ;-)

  • Jim Seaman

    Haven’t heard what happened with your application, but for me it isn’t fun. Called after one week and they said to come give fingerprints and sign some papers. So after a six hour drive and an overnight stay I found out that is exactly what they meant, fingerprints and sign … no card for one month! They explained that the rules had changed. Last time they were nice and I came back the same afternoon for the card, no such luck with the new rules. No idea yet what happens with my car permit which expires in two weeks!

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    We are still waiting as well – have not heard ANYTHING since the last report. We have not even had fingerprints and payment made – only the 1000 pesos application fee. It is REALLY dragging out? Have a friend that has been in the wheels and gears of the process since the middle of November – still no card!

  • http://vivaveracruz.com/blog John Calypso

    Jim – UPDATE: We received notice to go to the INM office – we will go Monday. The link to check this is: http://www.inm.gob.mx/index.php/page/Seguimiento_de_Tramite