Of course the title immediately elicits thought of insurance for driving in Mexico – but this time we are talking about getting insurance in the U.S. for the time you are there when you primarily live in Mexico.
Thanks to computers and insurance lobbyists most states now have up to the minute information on the status of any car registered in their state and probably any other.
When I first started driving MANY years ago drivers were insured NOT cars – after all the car doesn’t make any mistakes or drive without a human. But in the infinite wisdom and greed of insurance companies at some point (further back then most remember) they changed the policy to insuring cars NOT drivers.
The logic behind this was of course GREED! Statistically they realized there are more cars than drivers in as much as many own several cars – so hey we will make more insuring cars rather than drivers – keeping in mind they certainly want to know EVERYTHING about the owner (driver) of the insured car(s).
OK so by now we are all pretty accustomed to thinking of insurance as it relates to our vehicle(s) rather than that of us drivers being insured. Now there are people that drive uninsured cars. This not only cuts into the insurance companies revenues, but the States as well in as much as the offending cars often are not currently registered with legal tags etc. And the insurance companies have lobbied state governments to enforce the requirement of the cars being insured, licensed, registered, smog tested etc.
The insurance companies have gained support from the populace by suggesting uninsured motorists’ costs all of “us” as someone has to pay for these accidents – but now they also have an assessment in their policies for being covered for uninsured motorist’s accidents – so we pay for this anyway.
They also have been working on requiring insurance to have no lapse in coverage even if you park the car 6 or more months out of the year or take it to Mexico where you insure it there. Man what a greedy bunch they are.
Let me write right off that I have no problem with, and I willing to pay for, my car(s) to be insured when I am in the country and driving them on U.S. highways. But to insist that we have our car(s) that are parked or covered with Mexican insurance while in Mexico insured in the U.S. is nothing less than robbery – I mean we are paying for insurance for a non-used vehicle. Is it just me or would you agree that this is essentially stealing from people?
We should be able to call or email our insurance carrier to reinstate an insurance policy when we plan on being driving our vehicle(s) in the United States – plain and simple. But, this is mostly problematic or not appealing to more greedy motives.
In California if you have a car on blocks in a garage to say rebuild sometime in the future and that future becomes years you will either continue to keep the plates and registration current or pay heavy fines, more than the cost of the ongoing registration and license fees for allowing the plates to expire. Basically these are fees and red tape that exist because you own something that potentially could be driven on a public road. This smacks of a form of usury in my way of thinking.
In a similar vein, here in Las Vegas housing values have been reduced almost across the board by 30% and more since last year – but try and get the state to roll-back your property taxes; that is not going to happen – another case of paying for something that does not exist in the context of how it was established (tax based on value). A car that will be not be driven on the roadways needing to be insured or a property tax based on more than your house is worth – by a lot.
It seems to me that these money collectors have little regard for much beyond gathering as much money as possible – does the word criminal fit here?
So the tags on our license plates expire at the end of this month (essentially in a week). We have been making phone calls and attempting to get everything in order to be able to LEGALLY drive on U.S. roadways with an insurance motor vehicle – but they are NOT making it easy on us.
There is a new twist by the way. In Colorado we can sign a waiver to not claim damage to our vehicle (and bodies I suppose) when either sustains damage via an uninsured motorists accident. Truthfully I didn’t know our insurance company would cover us under that scenario before. It seems like the risk is fairly minimal considering how heavy handed they seem to be about one having insurance.
We suggested to the carrier for our vehicles (Geico) that we happily pay for insurance before driving in the United States; but no after much ado we finally settled on paying for six months and then canceling anytime prior where upon they refund the balance. I can guess that this will not be a clean deal and there will be fees/penalties for early cancellation – but in any case some monies will be refunded.
I suspect this isn’t going to last because the States will balk about issuing tags for a year when there is a possibility (for sure in our case) that the legally tagged vehicle is uninsured (albeit parked or not driven within the United States.
Honestly I think they could all get it together whereby we could purchase insurance to cover our time in the United States but they want to collect money for nothing every chance they get. I should add so we are clear on this hazy mess that we only carry liability insurance so we needn’t argue the point of whether we would expect recompense if our parked vehicle(s) were damaged in some way (those acts of God and delinquent children).
I can see by the word counter that I am over my self-imposed word limit – whew I feel better; how about you? I hate red tape and insurance companies. I won’t get into how all effort is made by insurance companies to not pay for accident damage – perhaps Michael Moore would like to do a “Sicko” film on automobile insurance and car registration – I could help…Stay Tuned!
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How about a libertarian solution? Vehicle registration and insurance that would be valid throughout the NAFTA region? I realize that these concerns are usual left to states and provinces, but — as Andee would have said — why not?
Comment by Steve 06.24.08 @ 3:28 pmYou’ve hit one of my main hates, insurance companies. I consider all insurance to be extortion, pay us or something bad will happen to you and if you pay us and something bad happens we will do everything we can including lie and steal to avoid paying you.
I’m pondering these car insurance questions myself. So far, I just pay. The time is coming though when it won’t be even marginally worth it and I’ll have to find another solution. I’m hoping to put my RV and car in ‘off road’ status with my insurance but I doubt it will work.
Friends ‘thought’ they had done that when they took a Vanagon to South America for a year. On returning it to the US they discovered that even though they paid a small ‘unused’ fee to the insurance company, their costs went back to the level of someone with interrupted insurance – much higher.
I even hate that they print all their legal outs on crappy onion skin type paper that is hard to read and separate. I don’t think there is a single thing I find positive about dealing with any insurance company. Sometimes it is just less painful than others.
Comment by Jonna 06.24.08 @ 4:37 pmGosh do I hear all of you.
We have three vehicles & two drivers, and insure all three (also with Geico). Prior to my recent retirement, two were needed daily (no public transportation or park & ride or similar things available); the third, a vehicle that was almost never used, was basically a “security” thing to make it look like someone was home during the day (also served as an emergency back up).
Now that we’re planning to spend some time in Mexico, we’ll be faced with the same annoying and costly issues. There may be one other alternative. Consider the following:
In the 70′s my dad got perturbed with high auto insurance rates & refused to keep paying them. He then became “self insured” by posting a bond (fairly inexpensive is my recollection) with the state of Louisiana that basically said that he was personally responsible for XXX $$$ if he caused an accident or injury to another while driving x or x vehicle. He carried a copy of the bond document in both of his vehicles.
I’m not sure who he went to, to accomplish this, but know that he did it & it was kept “in force” until he died.
We think that we may look into something similar, but suspect that the “insurance lobby” in our state, which has increased in strength during the last 30 years has lobbied to get that “loophole” removed.
Worth checking into.
BJ
Like all insurance, if damage or “medical related stuff” exceeds the limits of the policy, the injured can follow up by suing the individual if they haven’t already agreed to pay the excess amounts.
Comment by BJ 06.24.08 @ 7:14 pmBJ – I have heard of:
““self insured” by posting a bond (fairly inexpensive is my recollection) ”
But also as you suggest this is perhaps muy difficult now that the insurance companies have been lobbying the government to their advantage for many years – let us know what you find out.
Juan
Comment by John 06.24.08 @ 8:09 pmMy motorcycle insurance is only for six months, even though it is covered through out the year because they know i won’t be riding it in the winter around here.
It seems to me that if they can figure that one out the rest would be a no brainer?
Comment by John Paul 06.26.08 @ 7:53 amI buy temporary insurance when we go to Texas from Bravo Insurance in Laredo. You can do everything online. I bought a one month policy in May for my Explorer and it was $178.
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Hey Ned good to see you here. The problem with your scenario is about to arrive in Texas. It is already here in Colorado and Nevada. It is that you cannot keep your registration active without ongoing insurance. There are some schemes like paying for your vehicle(s) to be stored and off the roadways – but it is darn complicated.
The insurance scenario you are using would work with a legally current registered Mexican vehicle as well – the conundrum is keeping registration on a U.S. licensed vehicle. Also generally insurance companies do not take to interrupted service as well.
Comment by John 06.27.08 @ 11:41 amI have had several US cars here in Veracruz and Puebla with expired plates, and never have I been stopped by the Mexican Police for that. The times I have been stopped for something else, they didn’t even mention the expired US plates. So, keep it simple; don’t pay US registration nor US insurance and when you go to the states, fly and rent a car. MUCH CHEAPER
Comment by frank 06.27.08 @ 5:23 pmYour problems with insurance may be with the company you choose ( Geico ) We had them for a short while and dumped them reaal fast for a variety of reasons.
What we are doing and so far it works real well, ( although it is a real hassle reversing it over the Internet ) is to temporarily suspend our coverage on our car while we are in Mexico ( 9 months out of the year )and keep only the barest minimum 3rd oartyy liability and completely drop the coverage on our M.H.
So fa they have not had a problem giving us an almost immediate refund of the annual premium paid and then just prior to returning to the U.S. for 3 months we re-instate the full ( liabilitty only ) coverage on the car and also put the same coverage back on the M.H. With our carrier (AARP)
there’s some mental block about having a car and a M.H. on the same policy that requires infinite patience to explain to them when you re-instate coverage, but so far it is working.
However if it ever geets to be too much of a hassle with the M.H. we too will join the criminal ranks of the uninsured and just take our chances
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